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		<title>By: Naomi Baker</title>
		<link>http://shethought.com/2010/07/26/engineering-equality/comment-page-1/#comment-1973</link>
		<dc:creator>Naomi Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 03:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great comments, KJ&gt;  I hope you continue to rock the engineering world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great comments, KJ&gt;  I hope you continue to rock the engineering world!</p>
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		<title>By: KJ</title>
		<link>http://shethought.com/2010/07/26/engineering-equality/comment-page-1/#comment-1948</link>
		<dc:creator>KJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naomi,

I really enjoyed reading your post - thank you for writing about such a controversial, but important, topic!  Last year I graduated from the University of Alberta with my Bachelors of Science in Materials Engineering.  The female representation in my class was 6 out of 36 students.  I have now moved on to complete my Masters degree in Materials Engineering (at the same university) where the ratio of females to males is MUCH higher - although this trend is not reflected in my personal research group (only 2 females out of 12 students).

I was very fortunate in that I registered in the Co-Op program, whereby work terms are interspersed with school terms.  There are a total of 20 working months integrated into a 4 year educational degree, which adds another year to the program.  During my Co-Op experience, I worked at 3 separate companies: an oil and gas service company (where the lab work force was approximately 40% female - all engineers or engineering technologists), a local research company (I was the only female engineer out of that group of 20 engineers), and my final work term was at a steel mill in Ontario (I was the only female in MANAGEMENT, let alone the only female engineer).  I have therefore had a variety of experience in the &#039;real world&#039; and have seen different responses to female engineers in the work force.  

I still remain hopeful that women will be respected in the work place, although I do recognize the &#039;glass ceiling&#039; that inevitably may be present in some work environments.  During my work term in Ontario, I was told by a trusted (and male!) mentor that women bring a very different perspective to the table when it comes to problem-solving.  He truly valued female involvement in all ranges of company activities (meaning, everyday plant operations or major technical decisions or suggestions on shifts in economic planning).  I hope that all management teams (male or female) will learn that EVERY individual can bring something important to the table, regardless of gender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naomi,</p>
<p>I really enjoyed reading your post &#8211; thank you for writing about such a controversial, but important, topic!  Last year I graduated from the University of Alberta with my Bachelors of Science in Materials Engineering.  The female representation in my class was 6 out of 36 students.  I have now moved on to complete my Masters degree in Materials Engineering (at the same university) where the ratio of females to males is MUCH higher &#8211; although this trend is not reflected in my personal research group (only 2 females out of 12 students).</p>
<p>I was very fortunate in that I registered in the Co-Op program, whereby work terms are interspersed with school terms.  There are a total of 20 working months integrated into a 4 year educational degree, which adds another year to the program.  During my Co-Op experience, I worked at 3 separate companies: an oil and gas service company (where the lab work force was approximately 40% female &#8211; all engineers or engineering technologists), a local research company (I was the only female engineer out of that group of 20 engineers), and my final work term was at a steel mill in Ontario (I was the only female in MANAGEMENT, let alone the only female engineer).  I have therefore had a variety of experience in the &#8216;real world&#8217; and have seen different responses to female engineers in the work force.  </p>
<p>I still remain hopeful that women will be respected in the work place, although I do recognize the &#8216;glass ceiling&#8217; that inevitably may be present in some work environments.  During my work term in Ontario, I was told by a trusted (and male!) mentor that women bring a very different perspective to the table when it comes to problem-solving.  He truly valued female involvement in all ranges of company activities (meaning, everyday plant operations or major technical decisions or suggestions on shifts in economic planning).  I hope that all management teams (male or female) will learn that EVERY individual can bring something important to the table, regardless of gender.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole Gugliucci</title>
		<link>http://shethought.com/2010/07/26/engineering-equality/comment-page-1/#comment-1912</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole Gugliucci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m quickly gaining on the &quot;leaky pipeline&quot; problem myself as a grad student. It&#039;s a scary workplace out there regardless of gender in sciences and engineering, and strong mentors (such as yourself) will certainly help us n00bs along the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m quickly gaining on the &#8220;leaky pipeline&#8221; problem myself as a grad student. It&#8217;s a scary workplace out there regardless of gender in sciences and engineering, and strong mentors (such as yourself) will certainly help us n00bs along the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Kitty</title>
		<link>http://shethought.com/2010/07/26/engineering-equality/comment-page-1/#comment-1904</link>
		<dc:creator>Kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 01:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah my daughter would not be in grad school now if she hadn&#039;t gone to a school that pushed math and science for women.  There is an excellent program run by RPI called WISE (Women in Science and ENgineering).  It targets high school women for math and science careers and mentors students at the high school level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah my daughter would not be in grad school now if she hadn&#8217;t gone to a school that pushed math and science for women.  There is an excellent program run by RPI called WISE (Women in Science and ENgineering).  It targets high school women for math and science careers and mentors students at the high school level.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://shethought.com/2010/07/26/engineering-equality/comment-page-1/#comment-1902</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 01:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My degrees are in the biological sciences which seems to draw more women. In college, most of my classes were at least half female. Of the 6 people in my graduate lab, 4 of us were women. The research I worked with after grad school was all female and the forensics lab I later went to was about half and half. I only got to the master&#039;s level so I have not had to deal with the PhD gender issues. 

One of the reasons I chose to homeschool was to make sure my son AND daughter get a strong math and science. They may not go into a science field, but at least they will learn useful skills. Right now I can see my son doing some kind of engineer work and my girl...well I just don&#039;t know. I think she is going to negotiate world peace and kick anyone&#039;s butt who stands in her way. She wanted me show her exactly where babies come out and she wanted me to be the exhibit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My degrees are in the biological sciences which seems to draw more women. In college, most of my classes were at least half female. Of the 6 people in my graduate lab, 4 of us were women. The research I worked with after grad school was all female and the forensics lab I later went to was about half and half. I only got to the master&#8217;s level so I have not had to deal with the PhD gender issues. </p>
<p>One of the reasons I chose to homeschool was to make sure my son AND daughter get a strong math and science. They may not go into a science field, but at least they will learn useful skills. Right now I can see my son doing some kind of engineer work and my girl&#8230;well I just don&#8217;t know. I think she is going to negotiate world peace and kick anyone&#8217;s butt who stands in her way. She wanted me show her exactly where babies come out and she wanted me to be the exhibit.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://shethought.com/2010/07/26/engineering-equality/comment-page-1/#comment-1899</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 00:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the relationship is probably a bit less obvious. I think a lot of it probably comes down to what books we are given as kids. I always think things like this can&#039;t easily be distilled down to one problem. It&#039;s a combination between social expectations, the persons interests and what they enjoy as they grow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the relationship is probably a bit less obvious. I think a lot of it probably comes down to what books we are given as kids. I always think things like this can&#8217;t easily be distilled down to one problem. It&#8217;s a combination between social expectations, the persons interests and what they enjoy as they grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi Baker</title>
		<link>http://shethought.com/2010/07/26/engineering-equality/comment-page-1/#comment-1895</link>
		<dc:creator>Naomi Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 00:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David - I have to agree with your point. The women that I graduated with were usually more driven, and often among the brightest, for a reason.  Because of the obstacles, the biases, the culture, you won&#039;t make it if you are not driven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David &#8211; I have to agree with your point. The women that I graduated with were usually more driven, and often among the brightest, for a reason.  Because of the obstacles, the biases, the culture, you won&#8217;t make it if you are not driven.</p>
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		<title>By: Kitty</title>
		<link>http://shethought.com/2010/07/26/engineering-equality/comment-page-1/#comment-1888</link>
		<dc:creator>Kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done Naomi!  Naomi also is a terrific mentor and example for women wanting to go into the engineering profession.  She&#039;s successful, has a beautiful house she has paid for with her hard work, nice car (a convertable), 2 dogs, oh and 2 wonderful sons.  

My own daughter in graduate school for geology.  To say it has been stressful is an understatement.  Her first advisor at MIT expected her to bring coffee to all the meetings.  She was the &quot;woman&quot; so she wouldn&#039;t mess up the order (so he thought).  Her advisor now is a woman that took her on because she wants women to be successful in graduate school.  This woman advisor is VERY BUSY (she&#039;s in charge or rebuilding the Alvin).  She doesn&#039;t have to take time to mentor and help my daughter.  But she does.  Because, like Naomi, she knows the importance of women entering these fields and that women can be successful and heck, this stuff can be very interesting and exciting also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done Naomi!  Naomi also is a terrific mentor and example for women wanting to go into the engineering profession.  She&#8217;s successful, has a beautiful house she has paid for with her hard work, nice car (a convertable), 2 dogs, oh and 2 wonderful sons.  </p>
<p>My own daughter in graduate school for geology.  To say it has been stressful is an understatement.  Her first advisor at MIT expected her to bring coffee to all the meetings.  She was the &#8220;woman&#8221; so she wouldn&#8217;t mess up the order (so he thought).  Her advisor now is a woman that took her on because she wants women to be successful in graduate school.  This woman advisor is VERY BUSY (she&#8217;s in charge or rebuilding the Alvin).  She doesn&#8217;t have to take time to mentor and help my daughter.  But she does.  Because, like Naomi, she knows the importance of women entering these fields and that women can be successful and heck, this stuff can be very interesting and exciting also.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://shethought.com/2010/07/26/engineering-equality/comment-page-1/#comment-1886</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. It is an interesting topic, I graduated from chemical engineering in the uk last year and out of myclass of 60 9 were female. I must say my experience sounds a bit different as the girls in my class were by far the most driven to do well and achieved some of the best grades.
However I would say in my experience that women tend to be less interested in things like engineering. This is ofcourse a generalisation but I think it may be naive to think that if all was equal engineering would be 50-50 men women. However I do think you are correct as far as executive level bias goes. 
It may jUst be the uk but there is no bias in getting into an engineering degree, it is all based on grades and women tend to have the best high school grades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. It is an interesting topic, I graduated from chemical engineering in the uk last year and out of myclass of 60 9 were female. I must say my experience sounds a bit different as the girls in my class were by far the most driven to do well and achieved some of the best grades.<br />
However I would say in my experience that women tend to be less interested in things like engineering. This is ofcourse a generalisation but I think it may be naive to think that if all was equal engineering would be 50-50 men women. However I do think you are correct as far as executive level bias goes.<br />
It may jUst be the uk but there is no bias in getting into an engineering degree, it is all based on grades and women tend to have the best high school grades.</p>
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