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    12:25 am
    August 2, 2010


    SheThought3

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    SheThought was created as a place for women to feel free to write, post, and discuss without getting into snark, sexual harassment, or a hostile environment.

    Ideas and arguments over personalities!

     

    Heidi Anderson

    12:19 am
    August 2, 2010


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    Clearly women have different levels of comfort with their public sexual personae. I am uncomfortable with judging women on what their sexual expression is, but at the same time think that we need to understand that our sexuality can often distract from our message. This is something I am learning myself :)

    I think that the Skepchicks hit on a niche that was unmet in the skeptical movement of a desire for women that were fun, cute, sexy, and sassy while also being intelligent. It has worked for them.

    However, the skeptic movement as a whole needs to understand that not all women want to be put in that mold either, and want to get attention and be heard on the merit's of their arguments regardless of their level of sexual expression.

    Heidi Anderson

    3:48 pm
    August 1, 2010


    Sylvie Galloway

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    Wow! Awesome introduction. I remember some of the things you mention, but not all.  I remember some of those things, and some I lived. You are also right, that in somethings a reversal is showing signs of occurring, and not a good way. Let us hope that we can work to take steps to keep progress positive

    2:25 pm
    August 1, 2010


    LibraryLady

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    Post edited 2:28 pm – August 1, 2010 by LibraryLady


    This is almost my first post here. I've also posted this over at JREF, but Naomi Baker suggested it also go here. I hadn't found this before, but it looks like it has great potential! I'll be interested in seeing the comments upon this in both places:

     

    I’m in need of a new word.

     

    Technically speaking, I am one of the original Skepchicks. As

    you can see here: http://www.magicdave.com/sccal/jun.htm">,
     I even had a picture in a SkepChick Calendar in 1999. Fully clothed.

    And thereby hangs my tale.

    One of the discussions about TAM8  on the JREF forums that occupied the 

    TAM8 What worked, what didn't… thread was about feminism. I have to mention that I

    did not attend Feminist Skepticism workshop, going for the second part of the

    Science Based Medicine instead. I heard about it. I saw the crafted “angry

    vaginas.” I also did not attend the Skepchick party. But these events made me

    think about the differences between feminism now and then.

    I am old enough to remember when it would be unheard of for

    a woman to start a sentence with “I’m old enough.” Women of a “certain age,”

    especially those unmarried and working, were not taken seriously at all

    socially or in business. Career girls were mannish, ugly or both. Or they were

    Rosalind Russell and waiting for the right guy to come along and tame them.

     

    I am old enough to remember when it was pretty much impossible

    to walk down the street without being harassed by men, catcalling and whistling

    and shouting mild obscenities. I was told it was a compliment and to learn to

    ignore it.

    I am old enough to remember when it was considered a

    disgrace to lose one’s virginity before marriage. To get pregnant caused a

    major uproar. Abortion was illegal, so you had a choice of breaking the

    law/risking your life or having a baby and giving it up for adoption. To keep

    and raise an “illegitimate child,” was almost unheard of. I am old enough to

    remember the phrase “illegitimate child” in conversation.

    I am old enough to remember when dressing with cleavage

    showing for a less than formal occasion was scandalous and commented upon. If a

    girl or woman dressed that way for every day life, it was noticed, talked

    about, and the consequences were not good.

    I am old enough to remember my uncle telling my father that

    sending girls to college was useless, as all that happened was they got married

    and didn’t use the education anyhow. My father did not disagree.

     

    I am old enough to remember how hard it was to get respect

    in the workplace. Even in a woman dominated profession, 80% of the workers were

    women and 80% of the administrators were men. Disrespect was shown in little

    ways, like my male supervisor telling me my shoes weren’t sexy enough and I’d

    never get a date like that. Like another male supervisor telling me I made a

    mistake becoming a librarian because I’d never find a husband there. Like being

    instructed by my female co-workers which men not to get on an elevator with

    alone.

    So much has changed! Most of my peers are working in

    professions and no one denigrates them. I’ve not heard any catcalls or been

    hassled on the street, aside from the occasional crazy person, for about 20

    years. Losing one’s virginity before the age of 18 seems to have become

    mandatory for both boys and girls, poor things. Bearing and raising children

    without marriage, or indeed the participation of both parents, is becoming the

    norm. People dress in a variety of ways for work and play. The majority of

    college grads is female, although women still earn less than men. If a

    supervisor told me I didn’t dress sexy enough or sexually assaulted me in the

    elevator, I could sue him and get him fired and/or arrested.

    What worries me is that I’m seeing some regression. And the

    backsliding is coming from women. Skeptical women, who are intelligent and

    capable, seem to think it would appear wimpy and somehow giving in to

    stereotypes not to attempt to shock and attract notice to their own sexuality. They

    want to celebrate their sexuality, but they are doing it  in ways that remind me very much of the

    1970s. We did the angry vagina thing back then. We burned bras, we marched, we

    wrote. But we were aware of the fact that respect and dignity were the most

    important things. Without them, there was no progress. And this:  http://scienceblogs.com/gregla…..f54f99.jpg" this is not the way to retain them.

    I’m thinking maybe, “Skeptics.”

    What I tell you three times is true.

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